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A Question or Two-

I'm not sure if I have posted this question here or not, i tried to look through and see if i could if i had posted anything-But here goes-
Is it possible to be Wiccan and not practice magic? Also is it possible to be a Roman Wiccan-a Wiccan that honours the Roman Pantheon?
I guess that is more than one question isn't it? LOL!

Also what are you guys' view on Strega ( a la Grimassi)


Thanks


Romulus

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nikii
May. 23rd, 2008 05:26 am (UTC)
To be a Pagan/Wiccan and not do magic, I think can be possible. In my opinion its hard to do one without the other, but anything is possible. Some people see doing a ritual as using magic. I think it would depend entirely on you and what you percieve what magic is and what religion is to you.
Oh, its completely possible to be a Roman Wiccan. There are people that are Christo-Pagan, Celtic-Pagan, Native American-Pagan, Norse-Pagan, and so forth. There are people who are Christo-Celtic-Norse Pagan...its however you wanna classify how you believe.
Does that help?
I'd answer the third one, but I haven't ever reallly gotten into Strega. Though I think I have read one of Grimassis' book's.
frauholla
May. 23rd, 2008 06:06 am (UTC)
The is no such thing as Roman Wicca, Celtic Wicca, Norse Wicca, Egyptian Wicca, or etc.... These are different forms of Neo-Wicca.

All Wiccans are Pagan, but not all Pagans are Wiccan.

Pagan is defined, in most dictionaries, as any religion that is not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim.
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frauholla
May. 23rd, 2008 06:02 am (UTC)
You really need to read the information page of this community. We have definitions that we use that will clear up what I am about to say.

A Wiccan does magic. It is impossible to be Wiccan without doing magic. If you are Neo-Wiccan you may be able to avoid magic.

As a Wiccan you serve the Lord and Lady of the Wica. In a Wiccan format you serve only the Lord and Lady, who are specific deities. But outside a Wiccan format a Wiccan can serve other Gods and this includes the Roman Gods.
Also it is better to worship or serve Gods of specific cultures using the format that the cultures that they come from developed for them.

As for Strega by Grimassi, Italian witches have confronted him and denounced him as a fraud. Take anything written by him with a cow lick of salt.
romulus214
May. 23rd, 2008 06:11 am (UTC)
I was just curious about what others had to say, so that was my reasoning onposting my question here-

If i have peeved anyone-my apologies-

On the grimassi-i have a friend that loves him-so i asked to get other pple's vibes-
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watcher_star333
Jun. 1st, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
Hmmm, and how many Italian witches is that exactly? All of them? - as in you know all of them and have got this first hand? No offense but that seems unlikely at best.

My personal experience is apparently different from yours as I know people who have first hand knowledge and experience with Grimassi and his family. Their reports don't match yours.



markxiii
May. 23rd, 2008 06:05 am (UTC)
I think it is possible to be Wiccan/Pagan and not do magic. When I was Wiccan, it was about service and worship to the Divine.
There are plenty of people who use the what ever diety that suits them.
As for as Grimassi's strega. There is alot of debate about his books, I've read some, and with reading anybodies work, take it with a grain of salt. Though I've met him and Stephanie quite a few times, as people, they are really awesome.
stratyllis
May. 23rd, 2008 07:07 am (UTC)
You might want to look into different reconstructionist paths.
romulus214
May. 23rd, 2008 11:18 pm (UTC)
I have looked into many reconstructionist paths, and started off in one-but while the gods felt right the recon thing didn't-
brock_tn
May. 23rd, 2008 11:19 am (UTC)
Under the definition of Wicca used on this comm, one could not be a Roman Wiccan unless one was already a properly-initiated Wiccan who happens to live in Rome.

That having been said, one could worship Roman gods within a structure using Wicca-inspired forms.

It is NOT possible to be Wiccan and not practice magic. The necessity to establish and dismiss sacred space for every ritual requires that Wiccans participate in the practice of magic on a regular basis. That having been said, it is possible to practice Wicca without working any magic beyond that required for rituals.

What Grimassi is pitching via his Llewellyn books is NOT Stregheria. A while back, in the bad old days of 300-baud modems and text-only BBS's, Raven was openly contemptuous of Wicca because he was an initiate of a REAL witchcraft tradition with a provenance that was centuries old, while Wicca had only been invented in the 1940's...

Then it turned out that Raven had never actually been an initiated Stregone in the first place.

He's another Llewellyn hack author. He's not quite as bad as McCoy, Conway, or Ravenwolf, but damn near. His books make good kindling and props for uneven table legs.

Edited at 2008-05-23 11:21 am (UTC)
watcher_star333
Jun. 1st, 2008 06:12 pm (UTC)
Hello Brock_tn,

You seem to state as fact that Raven Grimassi was never an initiated Stregone. What facts do you have to support that allegation?

Personally, I know of one of Raven's initiates named Mel Fuller who once lived in Naples for two years and spent time with Raven's relatives there. According to Mel's report, Raven's "claim" to have been initiated into a family tradition is authentic. In addition, anthropologist Sabina Magliocco (who personally interviewed Grimassi) wrote in the Pomegranate magazine that after interviewing Raven she was reasonably certain that he was initiated into a folk magic tradition (issue 16, 2001) as described in her article on Italian witchcraft (issue 13, 2000).

In light of this I'm naturally curious where you get your facts from that Grimassi was never initiated.
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chaos_current
May. 23rd, 2008 12:08 pm (UTC)
1. No.

2. No, not a Roman Wiccan, but yes, you can be Wiccan and honor other deities outside your Wiccan practice. Or, of course, be a Neo-Wiccan who chooses to work within the Roman pantheon.

3. I think Grimassi's book on Strega is like his books on Wicca -- inaccurate, and poorly written. I think he's an asshat.

Edited at 2008-05-23 12:10 pm (UTC)
dearg_bear
May. 23rd, 2008 02:40 pm (UTC)
Well personally I would have to disagree. I think you can worship whatever God and Goddess you want in a Wiccan Practice. Its about personal preference. I would rather have a name to use then just saying Lord and Lady.
keastree
May. 23rd, 2008 03:55 pm (UTC)
I think you can worship whatever God and Goddess you want in a Wiccan Practice.

Then you don't know much about Wicca.

Its about personal preference.

Oh, couldn't agree more that personal preference is one of the most selfish and septic approaches to religion ever contrived, but it also isn't a very healthy one. Know what I am saying?

I would rather have a name to use then just saying Lord and Lady.

Then do The Work and earn the right to know their names. It's really that simple and has worked for a lot of us.

pierceheart
May. 23rd, 2008 04:02 pm (UTC)
Did you even read the community info when you joined up, to learn what definitions we use here?
keastree
May. 23rd, 2008 03:51 pm (UTC)
Is it possible to be Wiccan and not practice magic?

No. All religion uses magic. Theurgy--look up the word. Wicca, as defined by this group, requires magic in order to practice it.

Also is it possible to be a Roman Wiccan-a Wiccan that honours the Roman Pantheon?

You may be a Wiccan who also worships Roman gods, but there is a specific Pantheon that Wicca worships.

Also what are you guys' view on Strega ( a la Grimassi)

If Grimassi represents the Strega, then the Strega are in trouble, because he sold them out to Llewellyn. Strega also requires the use of magic.
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